President Trump is Right to Fix Obama’s Unlawful Transgender School Policy

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President Trump is Right to Fix Obama’s Unlawful Transgender School Policy

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The Trump administration acted Wednesday night to fix the Obama administration’s unlawful “gender identity” school policy and return authority to parents and teachers in the states.

Civil rights officers in the Department of Justice and the Department of Education issued a joint letter saying the administration was rescinding the policy, which had required schools to allow transgender students to use the restrooms, locker rooms and similar facilities of their choice—or face loss of federal funds.

In the letter, they said the Obama mandate did not show “due regard for the primary role of the states and local school districts” in making education policy.

The Trump administration is doing the right thing in correcting Obama’s unlawful overreach, which imposed a one-sided solution on all 50 states. Parents and teachers in local schools now can work to find win-win solutions that protect the dignity, privacy, and safety of all students.

For years, the Obama administration unilaterally had redefined bans on “sex” discrimination to include “gender identity.”

The problem came to a head May 13, when Obama’s Justice and Education departments sent a “Dear Colleague” letter to our nation’s schools, informing them that “both federal agencies treat a student’s gender identity as the student’s sex for purposes of enforcing Title IX,” a 1972 law prohibiting sex discrimination in federally funded schools.

With this decree, the Obama administration directed all schools to allow “students to participate in sex-segregated activities and access sex-segregated facilities consistent with their gender identity.”

Schools were told they had to allow students access to bathrooms, locker rooms, dorm rooms, and hotel rooms for overnight field trips based entirely on the self-declared gender identities of their students.

On Aug. 21, U.S. District Judge Reed O’Connor ruled the Obama administration’s attempt to redefine sex was unlawful, and blocked the decree from going into effect.

O’Connor held that it “cannot be disputed that the plain meaning of the term sex as used … following passage of Title IX meant the biological and anatomical differences between male and female,” and he placed a nationwide injunction on the administration’s guidance to schools.

The Justice Department, under Attorney General Loretta Lynch, appealed this ruling Oct. 20.

But on Feb. 10, with Jeff Sessions as the nation’s new attorney general, the Justice Department withdrew that motion for a stay and cancelled the scheduled oral arguments.

The Trump administration rescinded the Obama guidance saying officials would interpret the word “sex” in Title IX to mean “gender identity.” Instead, the administration will allow parents and teachers to work together in local schools to find nuanced solutions that address the needs of everyone.

Wednesday night’s moves signaled a change in position that could have a significant impact on the Justice Department’s controversial Title IX lawsuit against North Carolina’s Public Facilities Privacy & Security Act (known as HB2), which the Trump administration inherited.

The actions also could affect a Title IX gender identity case, currently set for oral argument at the Supreme Court next month, that depends in large part on the Department of Education’s position.

Dignity, Privacy, and Safety Concerns

Last week at The Heritage Foundation, a panel of women explained the many policy problems with “gender identity” laws.

As one of them said, “when gender identity wins, women always lose.”

The panelists—a rape survivor, a lesbian, a feminist activist, a stay-at-home mom, and a conservative—explained how people who identify as transgender should be free to live as they want, but that the law shouldn’t therefore eliminate women-only spaces or redefine what it is to be a woman.

While we must be sensitive to the dignity, privacy, and safety concerns of people who identify as transgender, that is not a reason to ignore the dignity, privacy, and safety concerns of everyone else.

Unfortunately, the Obama-era policies were entirely one-sided. They favored the concerns of people who identify as transgender while entirely discounting the concerns of others.

Safe Spaces for Women, a group that “provides survivors of sexual assault with care, support, understanding, and advice,” recently submitted an amicus brief to the Supreme Court explaining how gender identity policies can negatively impact sexual assault survivors:

Safe Spaces for Women has a strong interest in ensuring that the voices of women who have suffered sexual abuse are heeded when policies are made that may directly affect their physical, emotional, and psychological well-being. This includes policies that require educational institutions covered by Title IX to admit to female showers, locker rooms, and restrooms biological males who identify as female. While Safe Spaces for Women bears no animus toward the transgendered community, it is deeply concerned that … survivors of sexual assault are likely to suffer psychological trauma as a result of encountering biological males—even those with entirely innocent intentions—in the traditional safe spaces of women’s showers, locker rooms, and bathrooms.

The brief goes on to note that the guidance from the Obama administration was issued “without giving those affected a voice in the process. … improperly circumvent[ing] the notice and comment process when that process was needed most.”

Likewise, Kenneth V. Lanning, a 40-year veteran law enforcement officer who specialized in sex crimes for the FBI at Quantico for 20 years, explains the problem with “gender identity-based access policies” for sex-specific intimate facilities.

Lanning says “the problem with potential sex offenses is not crimes by transgendered persons,” but rather “offenses by males who are not really transgendered but who would exploit the entirely subjective provisions” of such policies “to facilitate their sexual behavior or offenses.” Lanning explains that:

Allowing a man, based only on his claim to be [a] transgendered woman, to have unlimited access to women’s rest rooms, locker rooms, changing rooms, showers, etc. will make it easier for the type of sex offense behavior previously described to happen to more women and children. Such access would create an additional risk for potential victims in a previously protected setting and a new defense for a wide variety of sexual victimization.

Indeed, as The Daily Signal previously noted, such sexual victimization already is occurring by men who have disguised themselves as women.

What to Do Now

Wednesday night’s actions by the Justice and Education departments will lead to good policy outcomes, which is why it should not be limited to Title IX.

The Trump administration should extend this decision to every area where federal agencies have imposed new “gender identity” rules on the American people without basis in law, without congressional authorization, without considering legitimate countervailing concerns, and without the support of the American people.

Congress should make such administrative actions permanent by reintroducing and passing H.R. 5812, the Civil Rights Uniformity Act, which clarifies that the term “sex” does not mean “gender identity” for the purpose of interpreting civil rights statutes. This would have the benefit of undoing the past and current abuses of Title IX, as well as preventing future abuses of other civil rights law.

Passing the Civil Rights Uniformity Act would ensure that unelected bureaucrats and judges would not get to unilaterally reshape policy affecting women and girls. It would allow schools to continue providing separate bathroom and locker room facilities and sports teams based on biological sex, not gender identity.

It also would address other unilateral Obama-era “gender identity” reinterpretations in health care, emergency shelters, housing, and employment. At the same time, such legislation would properly leave states and private entities entirely free to provide nuanced, sensitive, and reasonable accommodations of people who identify as transgender.

Up until last year’s prime-time interview of the celebrity then known as Bruce Jenner, few Americans ever had had a conversation about transgender issues. It’s a conversation we need to have.

But the Obama administration tried to shut down these discussions before they’ve even begun. The Obama administration attempted to force a one-size-fits-all policy on the entire nation rather than allow parents and teachers and local schools the time, space, and flexibility to find solutions that work best for everyone.

The Trump administration has taken the first steps to correct this.

While the Obama administration attempted to rewrite law to impose a federal “gender identity” policy on the entire nation, the Trump administration is respecting federalism, local decision-making, and parental authority in education.

For most Americans, concerns related to transgender students are a new reality. Rather than follow the Obama administration’s rush to impose a top-down solution on the entire country, the Trump administration is allowing the American people to have these conversations, consider all the relevant concerns, and make policies that will best serve all Americans.

Good for them.

This commentary has been updated to reflect news developments.

Letter Text:
Dear Colleague: The purpose of this guidance is to inform you that the Department of Justice and the Department of Education are withdrawing the statements of policy and guidance reflected in: • Letter to Emily Prince from James A. Ferg-Cadima, Acting Deputy Assistant Secretary for Policy, Office for Civil Rights at the Department of Education dated January 7, 2015; and • Dear Colleague Letter on Transgender Students jointly issued by the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice and the Department of Education dated May 13, 2016. These guidance documents take the position that the prohibitions on discrimination “on the basis of sex” in Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 (Title IX), 20 U.S.C. § 1681 et seq., and its implementing regulations, see, e.g., 34 C.F.R. § 106.33, require access to sex-segregated facilities based on gender identity. These guidance documents do not, however, contain extensive legal analysis or explain how the position is consistent with the express language of Title IX, nor did they undergo any formal public process. This interpretation has given rise to significant litigation regarding school restrooms and locker rooms. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit concluded that the term “sex” in the regulations is ambiguous and deferred to what the court characterized as the “novel” interpretation advanced in the guidance. By contrast, a federal district court in Texas held that the term “sex” unambiguously refers to biological sex and that, in any event, the guidance was “legislative and substantive” and thus formal rulemaking should have occurred prior to the adoption of any such policy. In August of 2016, the Texas court preliminarily enjoined enforcement of the interpretation, and that nationwide injunction has not been overturned. In addition, the Departments believe that, in this context, there must be due regard for the primary role of the States and local school districts in establishing educational policy. In these circumstances, the Department of Education and the Department of Justice have decided to withdraw and rescind the above-referenced guidance documents in order to further and more completely consider the legal issues involved. The Departments thus will not rely on the views expressed within them. Dear Colleague Letter Page 2 of 2 Please note that this withdrawal of these guidance documents does not leave students without protections from discrimination, bullying, or harassment. All schools must ensure that all students, including LGBT students, are able to learn and thrive in a safe environment. The Department of Education Office for Civil Rights will continue its duty under law to hear all claims of discrimination and will explore every appropriate opportunity to protect all students and to encourage civility in our classrooms. The Department of Education and the Department of Justice are committed to the application of Title IX and other federal laws to ensure such protection. This guidance does not add requirements to applicable law. If you have questions or are interested in commenting on this letter, please contact the Department of Education at ocr@ed.gov or 800-421-3481 (TDD: 800-877-8339); or the Department of Justice at education@usdoj.gov or 877-292-3804 (TTY: 800- 514-0383). Sincerely, /s/ /s/ Sandra Battle T.E. Wheeler, II Acting Assistant Secretary for Civil Rights Acting Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights U.S. Department of Education U.S. Department of Justice
Transcript of Video – Biology Isn’t Bigotry: Why Sex Matters in the Age of Gender Identity
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parents teachers local school districts
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have been having conversations about how
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best to accommodate the dignity privacy
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and safety concerns students to identify
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as transgender while also addressing the
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to be treated the same based on their
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gender identity
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regardless of their biological sex but
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administration department of justice and
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education centers your hobby letter to
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all of our nation’s before we know that
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going forward close both federal
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agencies the trees have students gender
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identity as the student sex for purposes
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of enforcing title nine and cool the
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results of this decree was that schools
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would have to allow students access to
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bathrooms locker rooms dorm rooms and
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hotel rooms for overnight field trips
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based on the self-declared gender
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identity of the student but then august
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twenty-first federal judge read O’Connor
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blocked the decree from going into
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effect in all 50 states
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the judge ruled that the attempt by the
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Obama administration to redefine sex
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with unlawful writing that quote it
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cannot be disputed that the plain
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meaning of the term sex as used
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following the passage of title nine that
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the biological and anatomical
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differences between male and female and
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cool the Obama administration department
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of justice appeal this ruling in october
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and then just last Friday the trunk
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Department of Justice withdrew that
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appealed and cancelled oral arguments
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were scheduled to be heard this week
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judge O’Connor dot the case right
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the Obama administration was unlawfully
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rewriting federal law the term sex is
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not ambiguous and it’s not subject to
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executive branch agency redefinitions
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and I mean gender identities but in
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addition to being unlawful the Obama
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administration’s dear colleague letter
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is bad public policy and that’s the
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focus of today’s panel today we will
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hear from five women from a variety of
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backgrounds and experiences explaining
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why the Obama error rules turn the
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purpose of title nine on its head
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how the wiltern along meant to protect
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women and girls into a law that allows
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men who claim to be women the right to
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enter women-only spaces how the Obama
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era rules favor the concerns of students
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who identify as transgender while
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entirely ignoring the concerns of other
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students legitimate safety privacy and
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equality concerns exist and the Obama
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administration ignored them today we’ll
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hear about those concerns let me briefly
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introduce our panelists Miriam Ben
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Shalom is an educator and activist who
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made history for being the first person
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to be reinstated to the military after
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being discharged from service for being
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openly lesbian Kaylee trailer haver is a
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rape survivor whose personal experience
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inspired her political activism on
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women’s privacy and safety
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she serves the communications director
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for the just want privacy campaign in
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Washington State kami Mueller is the CEO
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of the mueller group communications firm
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she played an integral role in the
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communications efforts defending the
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state’s controversial policy hb2 in
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North Carolina Marylou singleton is a
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midwife and a feminist who was an active
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member of the women’s liberation front a
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radical feminist organization that filed
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a lawsuit against the Obama
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administration to restore title nine
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rights to women and girls and then
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finally Emily Zeno is a stay-at-home mom
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who works with the Minnesota chapter of
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the ask me first campaign a project
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sponsored by the family policy Alliance
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to defend the safety and privacy of
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women and children
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get your math is good you’ve noticed
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that we only have four women on the
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stage
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unfortunately due to a family medical
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emergency
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emily is unable to be with us in person
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today
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Miriam will read the remarks that Emily
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had prepared for today’s event so you
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will be able to hear her perspective
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that following the panelists opening
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remarks alcon back to the podium and
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open this form up to questions and
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answers let me simply conclude by saying
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that up until last year’s primetime
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interview of Bruce Jenner as he was then
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called many Americans had never had a
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conversation about transgender issues
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it’s a conversation we need to have but
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the Obama administration tried to shut
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down these discussions before they even
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took place the Obama administration
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attempted to force a one-size-fits-all
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solution on the entire nation rather
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than allow parents and teachers and
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local schools the time and space and
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flexibility to find new on solutions
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that would respect everyone for many
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Americans gender identity concerns are a
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new reality rather than follow the Obama
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administration’s rush to impose a
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top-down solution on the entire country
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we should encourage the American people
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have these conversations consider all
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the relevant concerns and a policy that
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will best serve all Americans today’s
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event is at the service of fostering
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such conversations
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please join me in welcoming our panel
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thank you all for being here today
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seeking time to comment to listen to us
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we are grateful to the heritage
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foundation for hosting going to start
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right in the heart of the matter for me
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as a little girl something that I was
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told quite often through tears is that
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if i did not compromise my personal
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space and and my boundaries i was
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somehow being unloving and that if i did
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not allow my user to do whatever he
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wanted he might not be okay
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that is something that way too many
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little girls across the entire country
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have to deal with that is something that
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takes years and years of your life to
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overcome and I remember becoming very
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very particular about who got to see me
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and like private spaces as a college
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athlete I still showered in my underwear
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that’s what that does to girls and
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that’s something that makes them as
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headway on and so I found myself working
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for the ymca Pearson Kitsap County the
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communications director
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this was way before anybody was talking
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about bathrooms and locker rooms and
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that in the country they decided to
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impose a new policies and you wanted me
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to draw out the top points for it and
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when they told me that they were going
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to open up their locker rooms on the
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basis of gender identity i found myself
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forced into a battle i had no idea even
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existed when I went to my boss and
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explain why i thought this was a bad
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idea because of somebody who works for
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the y for 17 years I was hyper vigilant
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about our lockers I would regularly
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conduct sex offender screening make sure
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that nobody was accessing our members
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and every single time that I would run
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one of these screenings I would find
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somebody who infiltrated the system
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because that’s what predators do they
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pray and they seek opportunity and I
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recognize that this new policy that they
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were all asking us to embrace mid-off
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was basically the equivalent of the
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rolling out a welcome mat for any man
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who decided that he wanted to come in
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that’s our faces i have that reviewed
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hours of video surveillance footage
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after it’s been too late already
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I know what happens in the locker rooms
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17 years of that but when I told my
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balls concerned once again I was met
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with that same tired narrative you know
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Kaylee anytime I find myself feeling the
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way you’re feeling right now I this
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myself and being closed-minded and you
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know this is the loving thing to do and
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when I went to search for resources i
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found that there really were done
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because nobody was talking about this
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yet and i ended up writing a blog that
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got published by The Federalist called
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the rape survivor speaks that without
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transgender bathroom
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it was the been threatening to use last
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year and it’s not because it was so well
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written it because it was so well and
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reduces and immediately after having
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written at least I began be careful when
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across the country every single day for
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probably six months i received a new
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method for a survivor somewhere on the
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left on the right somebody who worked
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tremendously hard to reclaim redefine
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the boundaries and was seeing what was
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happening and said please keep fighting
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and some of those women are here when
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gender identity way women always lose
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that’s how this works it’s not because
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anybody else here has any type of
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bigotry in our heart it’s because women
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woman means something and for too many
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of us it means that we get silence and
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told the sit down and be quiet and told
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that our needs don’t matter and unless
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you’re willing to those we are on loving
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statistically every single day almost
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every day I get a Google Alert for
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voyeurism and women across the country
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have been exploited daily for years and
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years and years and yet I have yet to
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find a single
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incidence recorded of a trans person
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being sexually assaulted as a result of
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being fortune the raw bathroom but
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somehow we get to be the fear mongers
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and at the college athlete I find it
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highly offensive to insist that my
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scholarship that I worked really hard
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for is now open to somebody was
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six-foot-seven and anatomically mail
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there is a difference there is a power
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differential and what is happening with
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gender identity issues is that women are
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getting trampled and ultimately your
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race and as I was researching all these
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things i found that some of the most
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compelling voices on this issue are the
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ones that weren’t being heard some of
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them are the women who have been
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fighting for years and years on behalf
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of other one in the feminist Miriam it
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was very frustrating for me as the
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melodies was it need to be heard and
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that they were being betrayed by their
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own platforms and so I am so pleased to
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be sitting here with them today I am so
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deeply honored because it takes Miriam
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so much more courage it takes me I get
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to be heralded as comfort of the hero of
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my own party and she gets none of that
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in fact he’s here at the heritage
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foundation with you know i’m guessing
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it’s probably not all that comfortable
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is there is nothing selected there is
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nothing but about beyond the right you
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know about whatever you get famous I
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want to be like we should obviously
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you’re something you’re going to the
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world of difference five it’s not fun to
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be called the day it’s not fun to have
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that right it’s not fun to be told that
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i deserve being raised for the diet of
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fire or whatever it is
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this is not a pleasant experience but
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it’s an important one because sixty
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percent of the few survivors never speak
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up in the first place and so what you’re
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doing is you’re taking a marginalized
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group of people who are already really
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hurt and working really hard and then
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you’re adding and compounding their same
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and when they finally get the courage to
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speak up in their own defense
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your comment biggest that’s not right
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and so today we’re saying that’s not
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okay here and i’m very excited to hear
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what these women have to say think it’s
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your time you want me to be doing ok
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pretend for a moment that i am a gnarly
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Catholic woman and mother of seven
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children
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ok it is my pleasure to read Emily z
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noses statement
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she’s taking care of a husband who
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became very ill and she also has a child
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with an ear infection any parents out
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there whose experiences know what this
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is
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so Emily this one’s for you i’d like to
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thank the heritage foundation and Ryan
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Anderson forgiving the hands across the
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aisle coalition of platform today and
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speaking to you today as a woman and as
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a mother it’s as a mother to public
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school students that I first encountered
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the idea of gender is individualism gone
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mad and it’s as a mother with a heart
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for all children that I thoroughly
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reject the idea of a begin quote gender
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identity and quote the believe that
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one’s internal sense of self determines
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maleness or femaleness and that the
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subjective takes precedence over the
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object is
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physical reality of the body is a total
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rejection of biological sex as immutable
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and fixed and a constitutive severing of
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mind and body our sex is who we are
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it can’t be amputated from my body like
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a limb but the true believers of
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Jennifer gender identity are hard at
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work netting convert to this Gnostic
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world view that shows the material that
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we humans are made of the body you can
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be assured that an ideology like this
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will you will use Pope Francis words
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lead to the annihilation of man in our
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culture in the law and in the lives of
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those who fall prey to the tenants of
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this weaponized civil rights movement
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what worries me most is that schools
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across the country are washing debate
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abandoning academic pursuits introducing
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themselves to pawns in a political
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movement whose claims are highly
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questionable unscientific and have been
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shown to harm children public schools
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have a duty to serve all children out of
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school cannot serve children and a
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totalitarian ideologies all at once in
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October of 2015 i received an email from
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my children’s school principal that a
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gender non-conforming kindergartener had
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arrived a whole host of demands quickly
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followed this announcement the bathrooms
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and locker rooms the uniforms really
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every aspect of the school’s practices
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that differentiated between the sexes
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would have to be made gender-neutral it
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was just the beginning of a wild ride
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into a world where school has become
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indoctrination hubs and biological sets
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no longer exists a series of of surreal
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events unfolded at our school parents
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were told that students from
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kindergarten through fifth grade would
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have to be taught the gender identity
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sex and gender expression were all
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free-floating concepts through insipid
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children’s books and propaganda framed
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as anti-bullying presentations these
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demands of course or a Trojan horse or
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trans activism in the classroom and it’s
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a comment
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acted parents were told that the school
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would be in direct violation of the law
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specifically title nine and our state’s
16:21
anti-bullying law if the school didn’t
16:23
equate sex with gender identity and
16:25
policy and practice parents were told by
16:30
the school’s lawyer the free-speech
16:32
creates a hostile environment when it
16:34
critiques the transgender issue letters
16:37
that parents wrote to the school board
16:39
for public comment were heavily redacted
16:41
in some cases ninety percent of the
16:43
letter was blacked out the high school
16:47
science teacher proclaimed that sets
16:49
existed on a spectrum and that sex was
16:51
assigned at birth
16:53
finally even after a defector gender
16:56
inclusion policy was passed a complaint
16:58
was filed against the school with our
16:59
city’s Department of Human Rights
17:01
claiming the school had refused as
17:04
transgender child the ability to
17:06
transition safely at school in a
17:10
totalitarian regime nothing but total
17:12
capitulation is acceptable
17:14
so what can we expect to see if we sit
17:19
back and allow gender identity trunk
17:21
biological sex and school policies first
17:25
schools would be affirming and
17:27
ideologies that is predicated on the lie
17:29
that biological sex play second fiddle
17:31
to a self-proclaimed subjective gender
17:34
identity and that the sex of one’s body
17:36
is mutable are changeable isn’t just an
17:39
idea you can talk away in a unit study
17:41
or anti-bullying presentation it will
17:44
inevitably find its way into every
17:45
aspect of the school and make a deep
17:48
impression on the developing minds of
17:50
children second institutionalizing
17:53
gender ideology will require that
17:55
schools ignore the evidence that it
17:57
causes real harm to children you can’t
18:00
extolled the virtues of gender identity
18:02
and questioned it sounds at the same
18:04
time by celebrating transgenderism is a
18:07
valid identity schools are promoting a
18:10
body mind disconnect that may very well
18:12
bring on the gender dysphoria state they
18:15
were attempting to prevent and when the
18:18
widely accepted accepted affirmative
18:20
medical treatment of gender dysphoria
18:22
and children are both poorly studied and
18:25
glaringly injury
18:26
we have nothing to celebrate we’re
18:28
building a school to gender clinic
18:30
pipeline that will feed this new
18:32
pediatric specialty with young patients
18:35
there are now more than 30 gender
18:38
clinics specializing in youth across the
18:41
u.s. and the young patients who are
18:44
under their care are often given bone
18:46
destroying puberty blockers it
18:48
excuse me people given bone destroying
18:52
puberty blockers at eleven potentially
18:56
sterilizing with cross-sex hormones at
18:58
16 and permanently you mutated by
19:01
plastic certain mutilated by plastic
19:03
should surgery soon evidence
19:06
make no mistake schools who endorse and
19:08
celebrate the transgenderism is valid
19:11
are endorsing child abuse so I asked you
19:14
a re generation of parents will allow
19:17
are young and vulnerable children be
19:19
filled said a fault anthropology rather
19:23
than take the time to tell them they are
19:25
beautifully and wonderfully made be with
19:29
the generation of parents will consent
19:31
to our child children sterilization
19:33
rather than patiently guide them towards
19:35
an appreciation of their bodies see are
19:38
we the generation of parents who will
19:40
treat our children’s mental health
19:42
issues with double mastectomies rather
19:44
than seeking on a true red remedy the
19:48
women up every woman of hands across the
19:51
aisle answer with a resolute note each
19:53
and every one of these questions as a
19:55
practicing Catholic and mother of seven
19:57
I certainly disagree with my radical
19:59
feminists sisters in this coalition on
20:02
many issues believe me but I’m honored
20:04
to join forces with them for the sake of
20:06
protecting vulnerable children and I
20:09
thank them for their intelligent and
20:10
insightful criticisms of gender identity
20:13
as a threat to women in law and culture
20:15
at hands across the aisle we hope to
20:18
start conversations that will get people
20:21
thinking critically about gender
20:22
identity and we hope to embarrass women
20:25
to speak up for the hiring rights they
20:28
will lose his gender identity is allowed
20:30
to equip 6i hope you will join me in
20:33
saying no to the ideology of gender
20:36
wherever you see it but most especially
20:37
in school
20:38
word strikes at the very heart of what
20:41
it means to educate so one of my turn
20:54
I’m not a Catholic mother of seven seven
20:58
children i’m going to start out with two
21:03
quotes from the age of reason by thomas
21:05
paine to argue with a man who has
21:09
renounced reasons is like giving
21:11
medicine to the dead the second quote it
21:17
is impossible to articulate the moral
21:20
mischief i may so express it that mental
21:23
lying has produced in society when a man
21:27
has so far corrupted and prostituted the
21:29
chastity of his mind as to subscribe his
21:33
professional belief the things he does
21:35
not believe he has prepared himself for
21:38
the commission of every other crime toss
21:43
pain is right and I think that’s what we
21:46
see going on in society here today was a
21:48
lot of people lying to each other into
21:50
themselves about a lot of things I came
21:54
to this coalition in a rather odd way I
21:58
was denied the right to be the walkie
22:01
pride parade grand marshal because
22:03
somebody had posted so-called
22:06
transphobic remarks on my webpage and on
22:09
my facebook page and I was initially
22:12
judged unworthy because of the words of
22:16
others but that was my peak trans moment
22:18
I came to this coalition because i’m
22:24
sick and tired of the demonizing that I
22:26
see going on in society and one of the
22:29
most cherished things about this
22:32
coalition is the fact that we’ve been
22:35
able to transcend conservative or
22:38
progressive or liberal liberal or left
22:41
or right whichever you would you wish to
22:42
use we’ve come to see each other’s as
22:45
women as human beings and we’re
22:47
amazingly finding out that we have more
22:50
coming
22:51
Brown some things that we even knew I am
22:54
here because as a gay woman as a lesbian
22:58
I’m really sick and tired of being
23:00
disappeared and being told that my words
23:02
have no value that I have no right to
23:05
speak out that I have no right to say
23:07
anything in madison a woman’s physical
23:10
person who helped arrange a nice benefit
23:14
for the people protesting at the
23:18
pipeline was refused the ability to
23:22
perform at her own benefit because she
23:25
carried a sign in a woman’s March that
23:27
said you know transgender is misogyny
23:30
and all of the trans activist got all
23:33
worked up and a couple organizations
23:36
complained about it she wasn’t allowed
23:38
to perform i myself have been silenced
23:42
and i have been threatened and what I
23:45
think about people who write nasty
23:46
things on Facebook or whatever it is you
23:49
know go away if you really want to hurt
23:51
somebody actually put it out on public
23:52
media
23:54
i’m here because i watched women at the
23:57
Michigan Women’s music festival be
23:59
forcefully and forthrightly threatened
24:02
with mutilation so that they would
24:05
understand what it means to be
24:07
transgender i’m here because i watched a
24:12
very misguided human being proud around
24:16
the perimeter of the land at the
24:18
festival took place on with a very large
24:20
knife taped to the end of a tall pole
24:23
and and proche this person did okay I i
24:28
presume it was a man because it wasn’t a
24:31
very short human being
24:33
I’m here because I as a teacher I care
24:36
about my students and I believe it’s
24:39
abuse look in this culture
24:42
you cannot vote until you’re 18 you
24:44
can’t drink until you’re 21
24:46
there’s you can have a credit card of
24:49
your very own that you apply for until
24:52
you’re after 18 years of age
24:53
how the hell is it that you’re going to
24:57
give kids in incenter garden and 11 year
25:00
olds
25:01
all kinds of chemicals okay it just it
25:06
it doesn’t compute in my mind I will say
25:09
one thing however there’s a brochure
25:11
hear that mr. Perkins put out and i and
25:15
III wish to argue with it civilly and
25:19
appropriately in this brochure it says
25:22
that impart the growing attention being
25:24
paid to the transgender movement is a
25:26
reflection of the development within the
25:28
larger LGBT lesbian gay bisexual
25:31
transgender movement that’s incorrect
25:34
ok i will tell you as a gay woman as a
25:37
lesbian who’s been out since nineteen
25:40
seventy-four a lot of you out there were
25:42
even a spark with your mama’s life when
25:44
I when I started by fight that there are
25:47
a great many people who are lesbian or
25:51
gay men who are bisexual who are not
25:53
happy with this and who wish the tea
25:55
would just go away
25:57
transgender issues are not our issues
25:59
and i will say that i know for a fact
26:02
that a lot of what’s going on here is
26:04
due to you know white male game money
26:07
because they think it’s cool
26:08
hrc and that’s not Hillary Rodham
26:11
Clinton and and a couple of very wealthy
26:16
transgender trans women trans women who
26:19
put millions and millions of dollars
26:21
including supporting these 30 clinics
26:23
across the United States don’t demonize
26:28
us and throw us under the bus
26:30
just because the transgendered people
26:32
are serious for the human beings that we
26:34
are and know that there are great many
26:36
of us who are not happy with this
26:38
situation but who are also fearful
26:42
speaking out because trans activists are
26:44
not polite people well they may say they
26:48
want to burn us kill us
26:50
this involves or whatever well this
26:52
Jewish Dyke does not walk through
26:54
anybody’s gas chamber easily or well and
26:57
i’ll continue taking the heat because
27:00
our shield and what we have here today
27:02
is that we tell you the truth
27:04
we’re not gonna lie to you not going to
27:07
hand you a line we’re not going to tell
27:08
you that gender is better than biology
27:10
biology isn’t bigotry biology is the
27:14
truth
27:14
excuse like my children and husbands and
27:33
rewrote a robot a paper plate my
27:38
obligations when many of these women did
27:45
not ask to be a part of this i think
27:48
that the Miller common denominator that
27:51
like sought us out and perhaps we will
27:54
have a little fire reversals and back
27:58
down the site as Bradley North Carolina
28:01
and sure Phil hp2 on the news or sold
28:08
almost now I help with that and and I’d
28:13
like to explain it a little bit you’ll
28:14
probably a little more advising the
28:16
average bear but it will go to clarify
28:19
how this but a few years ago the city of
28:23
charlotte thought to pasta suji
28:26
ordinance SZ I like sexual orientation
28:30
gender identity especially to allow man
28:35
enter women’s bathrooms showers and
28:37
locker rooms whenever they would with
28:39
you can get all carolina for local
28:43
municipality to do that and initially it
28:47
was flock to the confusion within the
28:51
Human Rights Coalition coalition faction
28:53
actually and then a year later they
28:56
brought it back out and it didn’t pass
28:57
so i have seven nieces and nephews that
29:00
live in charlotte and yeah you know that
29:02
my knees would-be approach for house in
29:06
the shower or or even to see
29:08
availability of the first time of young
29:12
girl green
29:13
previously that nice groove me and I
29:16
help from that day forward and so after
29:21
pass in charlotte we have to fix that
29:24
problem that now exists between you
29:28
passed in and fix that issue but I think
29:33
the biggest thing in north carolina is
29:35
that I am passionate about is how you
29:38
been targeted and bullied by corporation
29:41
my personal favorite the n-c-double-a
29:45
former college athlete and frankly that
29:48
fits me off that what was what appears
29:52
many hours of driving range putting a
29:56
four-hour One and is now being used to
29:58
tell me that men should be allowed in
30:01
the hospital with my niece will have
30:04
several championship games from carolina
30:07
which you’ll know crews robbing a
30:10
pharmacy we love fastball and Oklahoma
30:14
they let you know that it’s real and
30:19
it’s frustrating to me
30:20
we have so many epidemics for college
30:22
athletes out there going to concussion
30:24
epidemic will be a great thing for the
30:26
n-c-double-a and in bham processes that
30:29
are due with what about the college
30:31
brief problem especially at once
30:34
athletes who scored already without
30:37
having to allow a man to enter women’s
30:39
bathrooms and locker rooms that need for
30:42
expensive thailand that the autumn in
30:46
debt problem they could be four go down
30:48
well this is I called out with me don’t
30:50
leave everything several hours of
30:53
precious time and energy and the gym
30:55
lifting weeks for them to make money on
30:57
their ticket sale and lightning apparel
31:00
to to help artificial people call the
31:03
three after bringing all that work
31:05
simply the way in my opinion probably
31:09
needs to have to convert apology what
31:12
their nonprofit status
31:13
they’re going to be active and in being
31:15
that mention enter
31:18
women fast shadow Walker and I think
31:20
their nonprofit status can be filtered
31:22
and I also think that if we follow that
31:26
logic and we can have the athletes
31:29
between existing well we just have one
31:31
unisex sizes team of basketball players
31:34
how does that work out quite possible to
31:38
mine always suspected with the NFL that
31:39
ticks me off to their NFL being all the
31:42
bonuses burns I had tiger program and
31:46
having bad i have not ever in my life
31:48
seen a single female because biology
31:50
matters on the field of the NFL doing
31:54
anything other than taking home a better
31:57
go ahead and declared an enemy doesn’t
32:00
matter but that’s just not right away
32:08
would really put out of this issue but
32:12
throughout our state
32:13
I can’t tell you how many meetings been
32:16
brought table of lawmakers ride to the
32:20
day pleading with them to stay strong
32:23
with issues because it’s our whole state
32:25
has been created in negative light
32:27
simply because our governor of our state
32:33
legislature are often think of
32:35
everything for have had fought to
32:37
protect women like girls like my niece’s
32:40
Charlotte and are now governor-elect
32:43
practice last week came out with a new
32:47
proposed heel of 82 and it’s essentially
32:52
a look but don’t touch
32:53
so the new governor of North Carolina
32:56
super is trying to make voyeurism legal
32:59
eventually you this is North Carolina is
33:04
not over human rights coalition the
33:08
target were southern we have a faster
33:11
economy in the entire United States and
33:14
they know that a lot of balls at below 0
33:21
they know that is North Carolina falls
33:24
and crumbles to everyone else will do so
33:27
they’re just going to hold on us and
33:29
I think it’s time for them to take a
33:31
hike because we’re not doing anything
33:33
the end singleton in left
33:47
I can’t believe the next minute i would
33:51
like to thank the forties panel
33:58
discussion happen i am women’s
34:02
liberation activists my I’ve worked I
34:05
worked for almost 20 years as a home
34:06
birth with a midwife in my community I
34:09
work now as a family nurse practitioner
34:10
serving mostly women and children my
34:13
entire life work is fighting for the
34:16
class of people who are pressed on the
34:18
basis of their biological sex
34:20
these people are aborted in the wound
34:24
balls show up on the ultrasound
34:26
smothered to death in infancy because
34:28
they don’t have penises to the point
34:30
where we now have towns in India where
34:32
there are a hundred and sixty male
34:34
children to every hundred female
34:36
children this global set aside happening
34:38
they are sold two old men as rape and
34:42
breathing slaves and gets called child
34:44
marriage they have their external
34:47
genitalia cut off they will no longer
34:51
enjoy sex and to control and sexually
34:54
they go to jail for suspicious
34:55
miscarriage
34:56
they are forced to birthrates babies
34:59
they suffer court-ordered cesareans they
35:02
are criminalized sometimes even things
35:06
like extended breastfeeding women
35:08
affected children taken away for that
35:10
and as someone who fight for those
35:12
people
35:13
I’m very upset that the gender identity
35:16
movement has stolen four me a
35:19
comprehensive name for that group of
35:22
people that I think before because now
35:25
i’m being told is transphobic to call
35:27
those people women and girls because now
35:31
what we’re seeing is this legal
35:34
erasure of the material reality of
35:37
effects and this redefinition of facts
35:40
as
35:41
what set of in my opinion odious sexual
35:44
stereotypes you identify with i would
35:46
like to see sexual stereotypes abolished
35:49
not codified into law as the very
35:51
definition of male and female and I’m
35:54
really getting frustrated and tired that
35:57
this the things i just said are
36:00
forbidden discourse on the left and that
36:02
women like myself who speak out about
36:04
this is the legally ratio sure of of
36:08
women and girls and not the complete
36:10
eradication of any material meaning of
36:13
female we are called biggest where we
36:16
get death threats rape threats my own my
36:20
own nurse practitioner practice was
36:22
targeted i suffered from boycotting
36:26
campaign a letter-writing campaign to my
36:28
licensing board thing that my life and
36:30
should be taken away for the hate crime
36:33
of refusing to honor the preferred
36:36
pronouns of a serial child rapist
36:38
this is this is the kind of insanity
36:41
we’re dealing with and what Miriam might
36:44
also like to share quote- from the
36:46
French Revolution trembled hair those
36:50
who can make you believe absurdities can
36:52
make you commit atrocities and this is
36:55
the railroading of complete insanity
36:58
like everyone knows that we are species
37:00
were sexually dimorphic for some reason
37:03
you know I have friends on the left you
37:05
will go on and on telling me like sex is
37:07
a it’s it’s just a social construct it
37:10
doesn’t really exist but for some reason
37:11
like if they want to have backyard eggs
37:14
they know to just going to add you know
37:16
it has no 10 and this whole idea of you
37:21
know though the only reason your parents
37:24
knew to raise you with this set of of
37:27
gender rules is because the doctor
37:29
assigned you effective birth like
37:31
something is a midway between to say
37:33
like you know homebirth Midway’s we
37:34
don’t announce the sex like that’s
37:36
something that parents Wheatley input
37:37
that we believe people are smart you can
37:39
figure it out having tab also my kids at
37:44
home like there was no
37:46
dr. they are cute as find effects to my
37:48
children and I have to apologize records
37:50
that we just winging it assumed they
37:54
were wrong with no one’s female but no
37:57
doctor came and assign you know who
38:00
knows we got it right but at the same
38:02
time we be seeing people can somehow
38:04
figure out what sex or dog like it makes
38:07
no sense the cognitive dissonance is
38:09
just mind-blowing to me so I am I felt
38:15
you know this I i really believe like if
38:17
we lose this fight as women we have lost
38:19
everything and some examples of that our
38:23
last year or the year before there was a
38:26
Supreme Court ruling of it is not sex
38:30
discrimination to fire someone for
38:31
breastfeeding because men can breastfeed
38:34
yeah by which we out actually now it’s
38:37
considered transphobic breastfeeding was
38:39
supposed to say chest feedings upsetting
38:42
that the women who were so you know the
38:45
hating women so much they want to be
38:46
known as men and then have the nerve to
38:48
come into our most sacred spaces of
38:51
midwifery and breastfeeding and say you
38:53
have to do everything I say because I’m
38:54
a man now which is like the same game
38:57
like I’m just picked up with the same
38:58
story that’s been going on so that you
39:01
know we it’s no longer sex
39:03
discrimination to fire someone for
39:05
breastfeeding if we redefine sexy as
39:08
gender identity if it’s essentially
39:10
legal to fire someone for mystery
39:12
because they’re like how can you say
39:14
that’s not there is not specific law
39:16
that says you can’t do that but we have
39:17
laws that prevent sex discrimination
39:20
oh so if we lose this we have lost
39:23
everything in terms of our legal
39:25
protections and that is why i am as a
39:30
board member of the women’s liberation
39:31
front laughter supported our decision to
39:34
sue the federal government three to stop
39:38
the reinterpretation of title nine to me
39:40
gender identity instead of biological
39:41
sex i want to add something just real
39:50
personal perspective here is a phobia
39:54
means you fear something
39:56
I’m not transphobic ok I’m not afraid of
39:59
any transgendered person
40:01
okay i don’t care if a biological male
40:05
wants to wear a dress and put on a wig
40:07
and put on makeup
40:09
that’s his choice and as long as
40:12
whatever he doesn’t hurt another human
40:14
being and whatever else he does is with
40:17
you know of a consenting adult human
40:20
being I don’t have a problem with it
40:22
I don’t care but I do have a problem
40:26
with they’re insisting that there’s
40:28
something that they are not i’m confused
40:32
all these trans activists are attacking
40:35
women spaces only do you ever hear of
40:38
them taking on me lonely space the gay
40:41
male community has mail only events
40:43
going on all the time and no big deal is
40:46
made out of it
40:47
we have been really interested in
40:48
attacking you know same-sex spaces you
40:52
know why don’t they take on the Vatican
40:54
I mean talk about a same-sex space not
41:01
no insult to any Catholics but think
41:02
about it for a minute
41:04
the fact of the matter is I’m sick and
41:07
tired of transgender people making it
41:09
all about them because you know what not
41:10
about bathrooms okay
41:13
it is about bathrooms locker rooms
41:16
women’s shelters women’s jails and women
41:19
spaces and the real issue here is male
41:23
violence that’s what it is okay and
41:26
that’s what we’re talking about here if
41:29
trans women were really women they would
41:34
understand that the issue is male
41:35
violence and they would sit down with us
41:37
and civilly work together to find an
41:38
acceptable solution to this travel but
41:42
all i hear is gimme gimme gimme gimme
41:43
gimme gimme gimme
41:44
you do you do you do ok they want they
41:47
want they want and to me that’s
41:48
patriarchal that’s just males that think
41:52
they’re entitled demanding stuff and
41:54
unfortunately they do it to women
41:56
because they think we don’t have a lot
41:57
of power
41:59
oh yeah we see what’s coming because
42:01
we’re not going away and we’re not going
42:03
to sit tight and be quiet
42:05
the issue is male violence the issue
42:06
isn’t just bathroom
42:07
the issue is a lot more and it literally
42:11
means the safety of women and girls
42:14
because go into the bathroom or whatever
42:18
how do you know who somebody is I think
42:22
criminal employers don’t have a little
42:24
label tape please join me in thanking
42:28
the typical we do have some time for
42:38
questions and for some answers
42:40
someone will bring a microphone to you I
42:43
ask that you keep your questions short i
42:45
have that you make your question a
42:46
question
42:47
I’m so it should end with a question
42:49
mark and be phrased the question LOL
42:51
Jordan mark jordan Lawrence of the line
42:55
spending freedom thank you for your
42:56
powerful testimony don’t have anything
42:59
but especially Mary woot
43:00
why do you think that feminist aren’t
43:04
more he has a tent for the reasons that
43:07
you stated to join in to the transgender
43:11
movement it would seem to me that it
43:13
attacks all of their basic assumptions
43:16
that being a woman is an objective
43:17
category and yet there seems to be just
43:20
such a quick caving in an agreement with
43:24
it and that I is I find it baffling that
43:27
you seem to be one of the few dissenting
43:28
voices and Miriam etc so why is it why
43:32
aren’t there more than just at least on
43:34
the fence at least i think the backlash
43:37
has been so vicious
43:39
I think that when women you stand up it
43:43
was shocking the vitriol that we receive
43:45
I like fun i have people trying to take
43:50
away my nursing license because I will
43:52
honor the preferred pronouns of an
43:54
admitted child rapist like this is its
43:57
vicious its vicious and I think that’s
44:00
part of it is is people are free and i
44:05
think a big part of it too is what’s
44:06
happened to activism in the country on
44:09
both the right and the left is that we
44:11
don’t really have grassroots movements
44:12
anymore we have funded
44:14
made activism and the left is locked
44:17
down like who is funding this look if
44:19
you want a job with any you know with
44:22
with artists reality check if you want a
44:24
job with Planned Parenthood if you want
44:26
a job on the left that pay you have to
44:28
be in line with this i know many
44:30
feminists who have either been
44:32
threatened with lots of workers actually
44:33
lost their jobs over this the same in
44:35
academia people are afraid so
44:37
unfortunately it’s it’s a terror
44:39
campaign and people are just not
44:42
speaking up for every person who comes
44:45
after me calling me a transphobic
44:46
bigoted I 50 messages and phone calls
44:49
from women who say thank you for
44:51
speaking up i agree with you but I’m
44:52
afraid I I have to I have to agree with
44:55
what she says to i get dressed
44:58
you know and it doesn’t bother me
44:59
because I refuse any man I don’t feel
45:01
any woman in our fear any God and I
45:04
didn’t feel that the guy who tried to
45:05
tie jacket and my tackle that prevents
45:09
them if you had 68 years of days nothing
45:12
it is what it is women are afraid they
45:16
actually believe when these people start
45:18
you know burn them to death kill turf
45:22
come kill alter film women in coalition
45:27
has a website now and we have a resource
45:29
page on our website where you can
45:32
actually will be putting some
45:33
screenshots up there so you can see the
45:35
kind of language that we deal with it
45:38
it’s really hard because women are not
45:40
trained and I’m lucky I I i was a drill
45:43
sergeant I was trained not not to be
45:47
afraid in situations i was trained to be
45:50
analytical not everybody can do that now
45:52
I understand why they’re afraid but I
45:54
wish we would start looking inside of
45:56
themselves to seize the power that lives
45:58
within us because it’s there and it’s
46:01
waiting because I’m one she’s one your
46:05
one camis one but what would happen if
46:09
we all did something if we saw something
46:12
if we all said something if we heard
46:15
something it wouldn’t be 11 and 1 and
46:18
those people who do the threats would be
46:20
dealing with a lot more than 11
46:23
one and one right here
46:28
thank you I mean something about finder
46:30
and I wanted to ask having had a
46:33
daughter who spent two years thinking
46:35
that she was really a game and
46:37
researching the spectrum ease online
46:39
when really what she was was a somewhat
46:42
masculine young woman who like boys
46:46
how do we end this is something i think
46:48
is particularly important for the
46:50
Conservatives among us how do we protect
46:52
kids who are gender non-conforming girls
46:56
who are tomboys or masculine boys who
46:59
are more feminine
47:01
how do we protect those children because
47:03
i think what is happening with the child
47:06
transition stuff is frankly eugenics
47:09
we’re looking at the eradication of boys
47:12
were going to grow up to be gay for
47:14
girls who are going to grow up to be
47:16
either butch or lesbian and I find that
47:20
very disturbing and I really want to
47:22
know how are conservative allies can
47:28
help take on that issue here and I feel
47:34
like I should have just trusted
47:36
I don’t know how to answer that line
47:39
doesn’t bring it any good
47:42
like Miriam said we’re all of us one
47:44
person I think a good place to start is
47:47
having this conversation at all i do as
47:49
a conservative Christian woman I do not
47:53
personally conform to some of the gender
47:56
norms up maybe were imposed on me a
47:59
little bit i’m speaking out and leading
48:01
and aaron is within the conservative
48:04
circles sometimes not all the gender
48:06
norms that are just kind of
48:08
predetermined so we have to be able to
48:09
challenge those and I think being here
48:13
is one way to do that but there it’s we
48:17
kind of threw the whole kitchen thinking
48:18
I mean it’s all or nothing right like
48:21
you can tell in gender norms without
48:23
actually thinking that you are a
48:26
different sex movie is it’s bizarre to
48:29
me that
48:30
it’s a huge space in between that needs
48:33
to be navigated that nobody seems to be
48:35
able or willing to do by the
48:37
conversation and being brave enough to
48:40
ask those questions in to push push a
48:42
little bit i don’t blow pusher by nature
48:44
I want to see you know what happened but
48:47
I think we’d have a lot more discussions
48:49
about that i think that’s a fair point
48:51
and i hope that conservatives will take
48:53
on those issues i can say something to I
48:57
wouldn’t be here today and in no matter
49:00
what you might think I i’m in debt to
49:03
the heritage foundation because they’ve
49:05
offered something that no organization
49:07
from the left which was a safe place to
49:09
speak and style feel too too bad about
49:13
being here because i’m not being yelled
49:15
at or screen dad are threatened my my
49:19
hands out to you if you want to fight
49:21
this you won’t agree with live you know
49:25
radical feminists on everything i can
49:28
guarantee it
49:29
ok but we have common ground on this one
49:32
issue and so when you want to do
49:35
something and you want to encourage
49:37
people to look at and challenging invite
49:39
the radical feminists along and and make
49:42
sure that they know that this is the
49:44
issue you know and don’t don’t attack
49:48
them or demonize them for any other
49:50
views you might find you and I have more
49:52
common ground you could ever possibly
49:53
know but it’s like together we can do it
49:58
we can and if you extend hands hands are
50:02
going to be extended to you trust me on
50:05
this I’ll come off stand with you we do
50:08
I i’m not on the conservative side of
50:13
the spectrum but i want to say to people
50:16
like at the ADF and few people working
50:18
on this from all sides that I really
50:21
believe it is a mistake to fight this
50:23
under the umbrella of religious freedom
50:25
we need to fight this on the basis of
50:28
reason this is not reasonable to tell if
50:31
material effect of not exist material
50:33
reality the contract and it can’t you
50:37
know course I i believe understand Colin
50:39
and I believe in the First Amendment and
50:41
it’s horrifying me how
50:42
how about disintegrating in this country
50:44
but I would really ask conservative to
50:47
fight some more than just a religious
50:49
freedom at issue please because children
50:52
are being sterilized and and this is
50:55
absolutely is eugenics that’s happening
50:57
and we need to be calling this out as an
50:59
atrocity as a human rights violation and
51:01
it’s something completely unreasonable
51:03
that’s being done to our children
51:04
backboard you keep calling on men not
51:15
run maybe I should’ve took me so I
51:18
thought except for the one I thought
51:19
this was to be a lady’s disco light
51:22
apologize for being a man ask another
51:24
question a lot of your comments today
51:28
particularly Emily sorry I appreciate
51:30
that she’s not here to answer this
51:31
question sort of just been dismissive
51:33
about who trans people are and what they
51:36
experienced in their lives and so my
51:38
question for all of you
51:39
whoever wants to answer is what if
51:41
anything would convince you that trans
51:44
identities are legitimate that
51:46
transitioning is medically necessary for
51:49
their mental well-being and that the
51:51
best way is decided to do right by them
51:53
is to honor and respect and affirm their
51:55
gender identities their pronouns in
51:57
their their names thanks
51:59
oh no I feel comfortable up answer a
52:03
hypothetical question that way you’re
52:05
sort of asking you to prove a negative i
52:09
was born a female or or you know you’re
52:13
either born a female or male there’s not
52:14
there’s a third option and I think to
52:18
even even justify that with an answer is
52:23
is any more than answer given is it
52:27
would be a mistake
52:28
there’s nothing there’s nothing you’re
52:29
born male or female period i think
52:34
people have a right to identify however
52:36
they want they don’t have a right to
52:37
tell me I have to agree with them my
52:39
pronouns are I me myself and we if i’m
52:44
referring to myself as part of a group
52:46
you can call me whatever i don’t have a
52:48
right to tell you what pronoun to call
52:50
me you have freedom of speech thank
52:52
goodness for
52:54
the Bill of Rights thank you I’m so
52:55
grateful for the First Amendment and
52:57
this is the issue is this is ideological
52:59
totalitarianism trans people can believe
53:02
what they want they don’t have a right
53:04
to tell us we have to believe it
53:06
as far as whether or not medical
53:08
interventions are necessary there is a
53:09
long-term follow-up study out of Sweden
53:12
that people should look at that actually
53:13
shows were psychological outcomes ten
53:15
years after transition for people who’ve
53:17
undergone surgical transition was
53:19
actually higher suicide rates after
53:21
transition than people who who did not
53:24
pursue that i know i know many as i know
53:29
many transitioners too many of whom were
53:32
transition pediatric Lee who are upset
53:37
that that the adult like let this happen
53:40
to their bodies we have federal laws in
53:43
this country that you can’t use Medicaid
53:44
and Medicare funds to sterilize someone
53:46
until someone’s over the age of 21 for
53:48
sterilizing eleven-year-old because they
53:50
want to shop in the wrong Island toysrus
53:52
this is insanity
53:54
I think what Miriam said is important
53:56
too because I get most of us up here
53:57
honestly believe in freedom and we want
54:00
we believe that people to be able to
54:02
dress and inhabit their space but by
54:06
their own Sanders the problem that we’re
54:08
having is when those standards and those
54:11
demands come back on us and I in order
54:15
to validate somebody’s personal
54:17
identification I have to erase my own
54:19
that’s not okay i am if I can’t even use
54:22
the correct anatomical term from female
54:26
genitalia because now it’s trans
54:28
exclusionary that’s the problem that’s
54:30
bullying and I think that we start
54:32
naming it exciting it’s unfortunate the
54:35
people on the losing end of this are
54:37
female and I just don’t think that’s
54:40
okay and i would love to see some of
54:42
that empathy that being demanded of us
54:43
given to us as women who have endured it
54:47
up already all I have all answered as
54:51
well i-i-i really i don’t care
54:55
trans people should be able to live
54:57
without fear without discrimination they
54:59
should be able to have employment and
55:01
not
55:02
you have any discrimination in housing
55:04
or job or anything else but I’ll be
55:06
damned if I’m going to allow them to
55:08
co-opt the word woman the word vagina of
55:12
ovaries uterus and say oh it’s
55:14
transphobic its transmission area now
55:16
but you know yeah front hole
55:18
well fun well inquiring minds want to
55:20
know
55:21
hey I mean the trans people are
55:24
demanding demanding demanding but we
55:26
don’t see any commensurate well don’t
55:29
call me sister CIS and don’t say that i
55:34
can’t use the proper words from my body
55:36
because I will the very thing that trans
55:39
people want which is acceptance is what
55:41
they’re denying us and insisting we may
55:44
not have I will not be censored and I
55:46
will not be silenced by them hell with
55:49
it right in the front row and wow the
56:01
right you know fighting it as a reason
56:04
argument in that building more of a
56:07
connection with those on the Left we
56:09
might disagree with other things but
56:10
what about if you fought it is a
56:12
religious thing for all religion so for
56:13
instance Muslim woman who would feel
56:15
uncomfortable uncovering in a locker
56:17
room with men you know how do we fight
56:19
alongside those religious allies that
56:21
are within our religious groups and
56:23
should be labeled as a religious but
56:24
when it comes to defending other
56:26
people’s religious freedoms not just
56:27
turn right i think it is a great
56:30
question and I think that I think it’s a
56:34
mistake to primarily fight this as a
56:36
religious freedom issue because their
56:38
80s women being harmed by this there are
56:41
there are ppl agnostic people being come
56:45
by this
56:46
so where I think I fell out toxins
56:48
Michelle Rotella of the American College
56:50
of pediatrics and again she and I
56:52
disagree about many things that we have
56:54
talked about our Venn diagrams
56:55
overlapping area of and we’re very
57:00
concerned about medical providers being
57:02
forced by law to participate in the the
57:06
sterilization of gender non-conforming
57:08
children and i think it is an incredible
57:11
mistake to fight that on the basis of
57:13
real
57:14
legend because that I don’t have a right
57:16
as a non religious person to not
57:18
participate in it and if it we have to
57:21
fight this based on reason and that
57:23
fight should protect people of all
57:26
faiths as well it’s we are sexually
57:29
dimorphic species and that’s material
57:32
reality and to become untethered from
57:35
material reality is the definition of
57:37
insanity I I don’t like to add that
57:42
reason does not exclude religion in the
57:45
in this instance
57:47
ok of Orthodox Jewish women would be
57:50
very uncomfortable I i’m a member of the
57:52
Jewish Community Center in Milwaukee
57:54
I’m not a religious Jew per se but
57:57
spiritually I am a whole lot they
58:01
wouldn’t be very comfortable with it
58:03
either because even at the JCC they have
58:06
special days for Orthodox women where
58:08
they can go swimming and do whatever
58:09
they want to do and then they have
58:11
special days for Orthodox men because
58:13
that mixture isn’t allowed
58:16
I think it has to be to prompt the first
58:21
reason and then acknowledging that there
58:23
are also religious depth and in business
58:26
to this that not everybody may be aware
58:29
of what reason should come first because
58:31
science of science in a transgender
58:34
people are human beings and they deserve
58:36
the respect and to be treated decently
58:38
but we are not seeing that commensurate
58:40
respect or decency back and you know not
58:45
eat a by stars cover in dorm
58:48
don’t let the bastards grind you down
58:50
read the book the handmaid’s tale by
58:53
margaret atwood it’s really quite
58:57
frightening and there are there are more
58:59
things coming out as well and it’s the
59:02
move to e races i mean i just read
59:06
something recently it was opposed to
59:08
remember to learn about you have what is
59:10
it sexually if the superior child
59:13
together yet gender giftedness that
59:16
parents who allow their child would be
59:18
generally giftedness and generates are
59:21
superior you know what you said about
59:23
eugenics is a jew i know it very well
59:25
and it’s like now
59:28
now if you allow your child to have be
59:30
gender gifted whatever that means i
59:32
don’t know that somehow their superior
59:34
to other children
59:36
OMG WTF you know
59:41
yes the aisle
59:44
hi ladies thank you so much it was
59:46
incredible i’m from the Christian Post I
59:48
was wondering with the most famous
59:51
argument that i have seen and I got into
59:54
it with people just not successfully is
59:56
it you touched on with your comments
59:58
from the rejection of reason and
59:59
Voltaire believe absurdities all that
60:01
said it was just a seemingly strike a
60:05
rational person that if you that
60:06
pedophiles are going to exploit this law
60:09
as an entry point to do these despicable
60:13
things and I’ve heard many many times
60:16
people to scream back in my face
60:18
there were going to do it anyway this is
60:20
not going to do it i mean that is
60:23
document mean you’re not helping
60:25
anything by doing this like can you
60:27
please
60:28
I mean I no reason doesn’t work but what
60:31
have you found effective anything
60:32
because that’s just like that all the
60:34
time
60:34
I mean I feel like there’s this preset
60:37
form of talking points that they’re
60:39
going to write you regardless but that
60:41
argument breaks down real quick when you
60:43
talk about tsgr4 there’s already a law
60:45
that prevents people from hijacking an
60:49
airplane so I got to be doing a job we
60:51
don’t need to go through the security
60:52
clearance you know because if anything
60:55
bad happens you can call the police
60:58
I mean it was no sense but the most
61:00
important feature of any kind of safety
61:03
plan is prevention and when you’ve
61:05
learned that line it and prohibit women
61:08
from speaking up in their own defense
61:09
and you normalize the presence of males
61:12
in their spaces you’re removing that
61:15
that frontline policing up if you well I
61:19
mean it in Washington state where I live
61:23
if there were a predator in my locker
61:25
room this is I’m starting to be like
61:27
brazen and placing this way but i
61:30
actually had to ask the question is at
61:31
what if there was an erection next to me
61:32
in
61:33
tower at that point my larger raise my
61:35
hand and say this is alarming to me i am
61:37
concerned for my physical safety and the
61:39
answer that I got was well no because
61:41
sometimes thinking of the normal bodily
61:43
function and sometimes the warm water
61:45
can produce that with my response is
61:48
that the normal bodily function for
61:50
males right they don’t belong in an hour
61:53
but that’s supposedly more having to
61:54
already with its mean there’s no logic
61:57
there but you can’t take away the
62:00
screening measures that are existing in
62:03
the first place to prevent harm
62:05
I mean no it’s okay if you get violated
62:07
then you can just call the cops
62:09
no that’s not good enough that’s the
62:11
abuse of any law or any rule that for
62:14
this girls to compromise their
62:16
boundaries that way his abuse and until
62:19
we start speaking on those terms like we
62:21
need to talk about it like that that’s
62:23
what it is that’s not hyperbole this
62:24
abusive so it’s it’s also illegal for
62:28
men to assault trans women in the
62:29
bathroom too but it’s very reason nobody
62:32
like nobody uses that to explain why
62:35
people with penises should meet in the
62:37
bathroom with urine all you know it’s
62:39
like they’re there it’s not going both
62:43
ways but women are supposed to be okay
62:44
to over Laurie protects you from my work
62:46
your mother yeah we’re from our right
62:49
right
62:49
but yeah it up the Charlotte Charlotte
62:52
bathroom ordinance that was fast we
62:54
barely talked about this last night the
62:57
guy who spearheaded it is a registered
62:59
sex offender and have working for game
63:02
and hopefully he’s changed his life but
63:05
it is worth noting
63:07
it’s something to to take notice that at
63:10
some point and his past that that was a
63:12
part of who he was and that he is
63:13
fighting to have access to my bathroom
63:16
and the bathroom I nice so yeah I mean
63:21
it’s I don’t think it’s something that
63:23
if it should be discussed a lot more
63:24
especially when when some of the folks
63:26
at all but some of the folks you have a
63:28
pass dabbling in that you know it’s
63:33
interesting if you’re marking into
63:34
combat for the first time you’ve never
63:36
been there before it’s not anything
63:37
would you reject the advice with
63:41
somebody a combat veteran had already
63:43
been there who already knew the lay of
63:44
the land
63:45
when not be foolish to ignore what they
63:47
had to say about how this works and what
63:49
you’re doing with women here in
63:50
particular a lot of us are speaking up
63:52
and saying hey guess what we know all
63:54
about predators we learned that the hard
63:55
way
63:56
maybe listen to our instincts because we
63:59
know really well how this works but
64:03
they’re not listening and we’re being
64:04
you know the caracal or dramatic or
64:06
whatever it is that we know really well
64:08
this is what happens this is why there’s
64:10
a lawyer them in my Google Alert feed
64:12
every single day because there are
64:14
opportunities that I mean they’re six
64:17
sentences out there i’m not saying
64:19
transgender people have those fetishes I
64:21
am saying that we don’t know the
64:23
different gender identities when you use
64:25
that term it is synonymous with anything
64:28
goes
64:29
so anytime you read that a law anywhere
64:31
you might be able to replace it with
64:32
anything goes
64:33
because you’ve got Danielle moscato and
64:35
Alex Drummond’s these fully bearded mail
64:39
saying that thing declaring two women
64:41
that they are going to broaden or widen
64:44
the bandwidth of what it means to be
64:45
female and they have full beards and
64:47
male parts and they’re declaring the
64:50
bama right becomes our next to us so if
64:52
that is the case that’s the reality
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somebody with a full beard male parts is
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female
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how are we supposed to know i mean if
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this isn’t making any kind of reasonable
65:02
sensor is no rational defense of the
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office that’s why they are so aggressive
65:07
and so hostile because it’s the absence
65:09
of any kind of legitimate argument
65:12
they’re going to just get aggressive and
65:13
hopefully you’ll be scared and run away
65:14
and it’s working and it needs to stop
65:17
so so we have gone a little bit over
65:19
time I’m going to sign after one last
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question and that will give the panel of
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the chance to say any last thing on
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their mind
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are there any women that have a question
65:29
I don’t want John yelling at me again
65:30
yeah right in the middle
65:35
my name is Meg Kilgannon i’m from
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fairfax county virginia and we’ve been
65:41
fighting this battle with our school
65:43
board for quite a while or well 2015 I’m
65:49
worried as a mom you know we’re fighting
65:52
this now but I look forward to what’s
65:55
going to be next because there’s always
65:56
something
65:56
more that these people want on their
65:59
agenda for inclusion what however you
66:02
want to phrase it payment so I’m worried
66:05
are we starting to see a society where
66:08
we’re separating parents from children
66:11
within the schools where my child could
66:14
potentially go to school at home this
66:17
child girl because the school and
66:19
identifies as a boy and it’s called Jack
66:21
and male pronouns and I’d have no right
66:24
to know that because of their gender
66:27
right that that’s really you in right
66:30
permission actually has produced for
66:32
campaigns and nice with hrc has produced
66:35
an actual guide for schools and
66:38
transition that addresses that called
66:40
the unicorns the gender unicorn
66:42
well that’s not that but there’s
66:43
actually a guy specific for schools and
66:45
educators and learning how to navigate
66:48
this potential situation where parents
66:51
could be harming their kids and now
66:52
we’re going to be the safe haven over
66:54
here separated during the WK have
66:57
actually in writing already thank you
67:00
here with you and I’m going to put it
67:02
there using laws that that criminalize
67:05
gay conversion therapy which should be
67:07
criminalized and using that to
67:10
criminalize not going along with with
67:13
telling a kid that they’re born in the
67:16
wrong body which in my opinion is is
67:18
especially for well Ian because i
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believe the medical transition of
67:23
children is gay conversion therapy on
67:26
steroids literally so with that you’ve
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heard from for incredibly brave women
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this afternoon please join me in taking
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[Applause]

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